Oh Shit. Here We Go: Veteran Cuts Down Mexican Flag In Reno
3 October 2007, 5:10 PM. By Cindy Casares
Some hairy veteran cut down a Mexican flag flying above a U.S. flag outside a Reno, Nevada store because, you know, that’s the most pressing issue this country is facing right now.
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First, the people at El Jaripeo shouldn’t have done this…and perhaps they didn’t know the custom of flying flags.
But the veteran should not have taken the flag down in such a violent way, and to disrespect the flag from another country (the old adage - two wrongs don’t make a right). I’m wondering if anyone asked El Jaripeo to take down the flags in the first place.
And I agree - the most pressing issue in our country is how to fly flags. Whatever.
“with a knife of the US Army!”
jajajajaja
Why don’t we grab both and have a flag sandwich.
The posse commitatus is alive and well. And se viste en flannels. Almost like he has more in common with our vato cousins.
Didn’t Senor Veterano realize that ‘his country’s flag’ was likely to be made in China anyways??? Oh, and that he likely didn’t have any authority to take the law into his own hands, in spite of his honorable service in defense of a society of laws?
Man, it’s like growing up in the San Fernando Valley all over again.
A “Hairy Veteran”. Let me guess, you are a liberal who is concerned about getting the troops out of harms way in Iraq right? You are nothing more than a hateriot. This guy is a hero.
So let me guess, Mack Wack…you are a patriotic conservative who thinks that petty vigilantism is somehow heroic and continuing slaughter in a manufactured war has stemmed the tide of (oh…growing???) terrorism.
Quit trolling, please. Please go bait people somewhere else.
@Mack Wack: I’m sorry. Was there something inaccurate about my description?
And… I’m embarassed to have to share the country with these people (on both sides… let’s be fair).
But at least I know I’m free?
_hateriot_? really?!?!? i’ll give you this much, it sounds a little like what i think of you, you idiot.
PTSD FTW
I think Mack Wack is the only one who has any sense among you. To a Soldier, you bet your ass one of the most important issues is how you display our national colors. We die for it! As for the war, it seems typical for people who are clueless about it to play armchair quarterbacks and spout off their solutions without knowing what in the hell they are talking about. You watch the news and think you know what is going on over there yet you like sheep being led to the slaughter with your politics. You do not think for yourself and it disgraces those who gave their lives so you could vote freely and with assurance you have weighed all the options of the candidates instead of listening to the news and whatever loudmouth is spouting off at a given time. However, my brothers and I will continue to leave our families, and give our lives if necessary, to ensure you are able to think the way you choose regardless of how it affects us because that is what we do!
How did Vietnam allow me to vote freely? How is Iraq allowing me to vote freely? In fact, I still can’t vote without the fear of my government miscounting my vote. SF SGT, do you really think any of the wars that have been fought are even about patriotism?! Patriotism is merely the shroud that is placed to disguise the main reasons for war.
But, I would very much like that these self proclaimed protectors of the flag and the country with their knives protect our country in the same way against any corportation that awards zillions of dollars in bonuses to their executives for taking our jobs overseas and destroying whole towns and communities in their greed.
We have seen and are seeing the real enemies and it is not the poor Mexicans that try to scrounge up a living but the giant corporations and the not so giant that have finished off all prospect of the greatness of America, a strong and large (in big numbers) middle class … which is being killed off.
The real villains are not the Iraqis that did not attack us or the Mexicans and illegals but the big boys.
Fair Hooker
Oh, and I forgot to say that what that ugly hairy looking apy troglodyte needs is some fresh pickled chocha which he probably has not seen since the taking and retaking of the Citadel of Hue during the 1968 Tet Offensive. I say the last time that guy had a real hoe like me spank his monkey was when agent orange spanked his immune system an he became deranged.
By the Way, The Citadel of Hue for which many of our young ones gave their life in that other unnecessary Military Industrial Complex project, is now a Tourist attraction for the repentant communist government. But none of the families of the people that gave it all there drew any betterment from such a venture. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE CONCEPT OF “COLLECTING ON THE SPOILS AND EXCESSES OF WAR.???
Oh, wait, I think Blackwater can answer that. They know how to count in BILLIONS with a B.
A 82 year old woman says:
God Bless the hairy veteran.
I think many of you are missing several points.
Posse commitatus prohibits the standing military from enforcing the law inside U.S. territory, it has NOTHING to do with a private citizen whether they are a former soldier or not.
I cannot claim that everything that this man did was legal, but our society has a long standing tradition of civil disobedience in protest of acts that are wrong. The civil rights movement in the 1960’s was filled with people being arrested for purposely breaking segregation laws in protest, yet they were not wrong.
What you have to separate here is the difference between what is legal and what is right. The flying of the Mexican flag above the American flag is not only illegal, it is an insult to every man woman and child that loves this country. I would simply say that if the owner of the bar loves Mexico more than he loves the United States, he is living in the wrong country. He should go to the place he loves so much.
Here is America we have a long tradition of accepting immigrants. We have even been told recently that we need to accept those that did not come here legally and many of us do. But there is one thing that all Americans absolutely must insist upon as a requirement for being an immigrant. We must insist that people who come here to benefit from our country adopt it as their own and love it as their own. Their loyalty cannot be divided.
The Mexican people come to America to benefit from our system and get a piece of the “American Dream.” Yet we find that many still keep their allegiance to Mexico, and that is wrong. Mexico is poor because of their system. We have no desire to import that corruption and poverty here to the United States. If you are going to benefit from our system and take from it, then honor what gives you that opportunity and love the United States for it. Not the country that kept you down.
Don’t bite the hand that feeds you!
Hurrah for Thunderstorm Patriot. He “gets it”, as so many posters to this forum do not. If I saw a flag of ANY being above the United States flag here in Texas, I would take it down. With a SHARP knife!
We are overrun here with Mexican illegals. I see Mexican flags everywhere, and it bothers me. If Mexico is so great, why not go back to that wonderful land, and take their flags with them.
My ancestors first came here (well, some were already here…) in 1634. WE became Americans. The Mexicans who come here, want to remain Mexicans, resisting the language and customs of the United States.
I think the reason the socialists here are so upset is that for once a “crazy, raging, bearded hippie” isn’t one of their own left wing kooks. To all of those wooks out there, I say, use soap, please. It will not hurt! And don’t worry, President Hillary will still listen to the pointed headed elitists even if you bath weekly, or if we are hopeful, daily for that matter.
I will say I am confused however. Why are all of these immigrants so recalcitrant about learning the language and customs of this country? My great grandparents had to ditch their native Scandinavian and Italian language when they came here for English. Why are we now compromising on that tradition? If they want to retain their customs, language and lifestyle, do so, but do it back home. Someone in the government needs to sack up before all of our cities look like Reynosa and the like. I am tired of hearing about illegals that commit murders and only get deported since they are here illegally. For better or worse, if you come here, assimilate, or don’t come at all.
Flags are not a relevant issue. Especially with all the shit goin’ on around the world. Get over it.
I’ve never seen such a bunch of morons in my life. All of you pathetic sons of turkeys that have nothing better to do than misenterprit the law.
Listen to me! I AM A LAWYER AND I KNOW THE LAW. Putting flags higher than other flags is a 1st amendment right!!
Those dudes at el Jaribe are exercising their 1st amendment rights.
STOP ACTING LIKE TALIBAN YOU STUPID COMMUNISTS!
I will make it a point not to ever hire you for counsel then Deangleo. If you are truly a lawyer then God help your clients. Public Law 94-344, known as the Federal Flag Code, is the law of the land regarding the handling and displaying of the American flag. Section 3, subparagraph C states that “No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy.” Maybe you should go back to law school my friend! As for el chido, are you suggesting that the wars our forefathers fought were of no consequence? Have all the American’s who have given their all in war only died in vane? Crawl out from beneath the blanket you are hiding yourself from reality in. We take action because inaction gets you nothing but pain and regret. If our government is just so corrupt and horrible why aren’t all of you flooding to other countries? I know exactly why because I have visited more than a few of them including Mexico for varying amounts of time. I also know that they all have government corruption that makes even Hillary Clinton look like a saint. The bottom line is that the Flag, although astonishing to you obviously superior intellects, means a great deal to those who have served under it and we hold it as one of the most precious things in the world. Most of you are clueless about that and see it as a piece of cloth. How sad that makes me for you to be so blind and unappreciative. Oh and of course, as we covered earlier, IT IS THE FREAKING LAW!!!!!!!
You know what? Many of these immigrants will not assimilate….you know why? Because most of them come here for a few years, make some money, and then they leave and buy a house in Mazatlan. …..Plus, how can you assimilate when you look Mexican?
Chauvinism is uncool too.
assimilate? to what? English? German? Irish? What is American culture but a salad of different cultures?
i agree with rauol…its hard to assimilate into the “Anglo American” culture when you don’t look the part. Maybe I could assimilate to American Indian….
Mexican people don’t extoll their government, they extoll their culture. Mexico is poor, yes, but its becasue the U.S. NEEDS that “slave” labor they’ve never lived without since the first African “slave” set foot in the colonies…
Listen SF SGT !!!!!
Public Law 104-0066, I’m banging your sister in the ass-hole code, is the law of land!!
Also, where did you learn this navy bullshit….while your mom was banging the whole crew of the USS Alabama. Give me a break you racist bastard!!
At this point, I’m just glad he didn’t use that knife to eviscerate an actual Mexican. Let’s look at the bright side, people!!!!!
The Gringo was spot on in doing so.
It is illegal, in Mexico to fly any other nations flag above the Mexican flag. So the gringo had every right to be upset.
Furthermore, the gringo culture is a culture of warriors. Gringos fight and they fight very well. Im a chilango, but I can definitely relate to what the veteran gringo felt when he saw the emblem of what he was willing to die for be disrespected…
I can only imagine the uproar if some gringo flew a US flag above his joint in San Miguel or Guanajuato…
Amazing, just amazing how many mexicans have got bad things to say about this American Veteran. Where else but in America can a 62 year old mexican who has never worked a day in his life in America, never paid any taxes, sit on his duff and draw more social security benefits than an American who has worked and paid taxes to this country for 40 years. Why are we being forced to learn spanish in our schools while the mexicans are not even being asked to learn OUR english language …..
I think the guy in this video deserves a medal for being one of a damn few handful of men with enough balls to stand up for his country even while were being overrun with immigrants.
They do elyeims, they fly the American flag at Wal Mart in Mexico all the time, I don’t see any Aztec “warrior” trying to cut it down?
It’s a mexican restaurant for god’s sake…..The flag is part of the decor.
1. Acts like these are adding more charcoal to the fire.
2. Pobre pendejo, common sense would have dictated that if you’re in the US the US flag should fly first.
3. Mr. VietVet is old school and still thinks the US is an island, and there isn’t anything outside the borders that is better.
… Hmmm! on number 3, I have to make a correction… ‘old school’ is the present school. When are people going to have the B**** to question the real reason as to why we are fighting in Iraq, and have not found Osama in Afghanistan? Maybe we might find him in Iran?
NOTE: The flag is not decor outside the establishment.
2 wrongs don’t make one right!
SF SGT - I am also in the military, and I see the war as pointless. One of the reasons I enlisted, was to be able to say that and not have somebody tell me that I was an “armchair quarterback.”
Deangelo - What he stated about the flags is true. In the U.S., no other flag should “officially” be flying above the national ensign. That being said, I really don’t see anybody that flies the U.S. flag doing it properly either. I don’t see people executing morning or evening colors like they should, and I don’t see wannabe vigilantes getting on their ass about it.
So a quick question, should we tell all those people that celebrate St. Patrick’s Day proudly and love their Irish ancestry wearing green and getting drunk, to go back to Ireland?
One more thing, Juano Chicato… prove this “Where else but in America can a 62 year old mexican who has never worked a day in his life in America, never paid any taxes, sit on his duff and draw more social security benefits than an American who has worked and paid taxes to this country for 40 years.”
Most of the time, when people work illegally and with fake documents, they receive their pay minus the taxes and at the end of the year they are unable to claim because they do not have a real SSN.
I will give everyone just one guess as to where Deangleo received his law degree (if she has one). Better yet, how he received it. On his knees in a Tijuana head - giving head (no pun intended). And as for the law? Do you really think it matters to a guy like me as to what the law says when you face me on the street verbarating they way you are? What keeps me from taking you out is love for country and humanity. Yes, I abide both Civilian law as well as UCMJ.
I take leave for awhile and come home to read this.
Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi is supporting Stephen Ayers, the Architect of the Capitol, who took it upon himself to ban the use of the word “God” a certificate issued for an Eagle Scout. Ayers, who serves in a low-level, non-elected position, claims he has the authority to ban the word “God” from the certificate. This is the first time ever for the Architect of the Capitol to ban religious references. Ayers said he banned the word “God” because someone might be offended.
Does flying any flag above the one I fight for offend me - it would never have time to - upon site the target would be eliminated. The target of course being any flag but my RED WHITE & BLUE.
I both admire what my fellow Vet did and I am disappointed. From my stand point, he didn’t go far enough. With 2 phone calls, he could have enough Vets and those of us still fighting on location ASAP. We could have stood silently in the streets and sidewalks and camped out. Bringing thousands of Men and Women who truly represent what our country is all about.
As for Americans of Hispanic decent - I have served with some of the finish Hispanic Americans - I know of a boat unit (***4) that has some of the most courageous members to ever where the Triton Gold. Some of them speak 3 - 5 different languages - Fluently. They cover a tough territory and should have everyone’s respect.
However, it doesn’t sound as if they would. I really hate to see what would happen to the fat American smart Ass who would sound off because they were Hispanic and thought to be identified with the likes of this BAR OWNER.
It’s people like this BAR OWNER who are going to cause problems for other TRUE HEARTED AMERICAN’s who happen to be of Hispanic Orgin and have those physical features.
If you are of Hispanic Orgin and live in this country - But you find yourself laughing at this Vet because of what he did. Or, believe it to be too extreme or that he went too far - Then you are one of the many people who are in this country, but not of this country. You want to enjoy the benefits, but share no responsibility. The difference between me and you is that I would die for my country and you will die in this country.
This is the U.S., so the American flag should have been on top. In Mexico, the Mexican flag should be highest, in Norway the Norwegian flag should be highest, etc. That’s just common sense. The bar owner messed up and should have been called out for it.
HOWEVER, two wrongs don’t make a right, and this crazy-ass veterano tearing down the Mexican flag and desecrating it with a “knife of the US Army” is just petty destruction of property, tinged with racism. Let’s face the fact, in these nativist, anti-immigrant times the fact it was a Mexican flag that probably pushed him over the edge. If it was an English pub and the Union Jack was flying over the Stars and Stripes, he probably wouldn’t have made such a hissy fit.
And CPO AJ7, gimme a break. Apparently being a veteran gives you the right to be a self-righteous dick to everyone else. Because I rightly criticize this idiot for what he did does not make me any less of an American. Every American contributes in his own way for his country, and that’s why this country is so great in so many different ways. Sorry, but dying in Iraq or Vietnam was not dying for my freedom, but for our corporate elite’s economic interests.
It’s amazing how veterans always cry about defending our freedoms, but yet are some of the most intolerant and close-minded people out there.
First of all, to SF SGT and any other Vets on this thread….Thank You for your service. To all the others that are critical of this Vet for what he did when he took down the foreign flag that was flying above Old Glory — It’s not about immigration, it’s about RESPECT . The Old Vet just did what he thought he needed to do . And to all of you folks who want to shoot your mouth off in disrespect , just remember that all Vets have one thing in common , at one time in their life the all wrote a blank check to the United States of America, and in the space for the amount they wrote “up to and including my life” . I don’t know about all Vets, but I pledged my loyalty to that Flag, and I didn’t ask for a do-over when I was discharged after 9 years .
Sorry I haven’t been in the net for a while. My wife has been in the hospital for the past week and I wanted to stay with her. I see Deangleo is at it again. If that is your professionalism in the court room than once again I am thankful not to have you as counsel. Actually the Nevada state flag law makes it a misdemeanor to disgrace Old Glory and it leaves that open to a wide variety of things. The state flag laws are encouraged to supplement the Law of the Land and I would think that placing flags above her in her own land would fit the bill. By the way Deangleo, I have never been in the Navy. SF stands for Special Forces and SGT stands for Sergeant of which I am a Sergeant First Class. In other words, I am a senior ranking leader in a Special Forces unit. Furthermore, I don’t recall saying anything racist unless you just consider supporting the American Flag over all others racist. I simply posed questions requesting that you explain your positions in previous postings. However, you chose to make unwarranted attacks because you have nothing to back-up your pitiful views. Moreover, you call people like me, and the veteran that took action, Taliban. Exactly how many Taliban have you met? How many have you talked to? Have you even performed even the slightest amount of research on the Taliban before you started making unfounded statements about people you don’t even know? I would guess no to all of these questions. I have personally questioned several Taliban and I have done in-depth research on the group starting from their birth. I can tell you that had this Veteran been Taliban he wouldn’t have stopped with taking down the flag. He would have proceeded to put a bullet in the first guys forehead and then tie the other one up in the middle of the street and perform a public castration taking off his testicles and penis in one fail swoop. Then while the poor soul was still alive (barely) he would have hung him and left him for everyone to see. Maybe I didn’t see the whole thing but I am pretty sure none of that happened. That leads me to believe that you are nothing more that an ignorant, angry bigot! That is right my friend, if you want to see a racist take a good look in the mirror! Oh, and one other thing, I could care less about comments about my 76 year-old mother because I left that type of vulgar, adolesent behavior behind in grade school. However, I can see that the so-called legal school you attended must have that as part of their cirriculum. Judging from your maturity level, my guess is that you are probably not a lawyer. You are probably a disgrutled college student who got stuffed in his locker all through high school and you are probably trying to work yourself through lawschool hoping to become a lawyer and show those mean jocks who teased you a thing or two. You probably associate Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines in the same catagory as those guys who picked on you. I am terribly sorry you were so traumatized in high school but now you should COWBOY THE FUCK UP MOMMA’S BOY!!!!!
I am always saddened by posts like those of Deangleo. They contribute nothing to the discussion. They neither educate or inform anybody. Deangleo is a forum troll, and not even a very creative one at that. That places him on the evolutionary ladder just below slugs.
Deangleo is certainly no lawyer. What he has done here is commonly called professional misconduct. A real lawyer is trained to never fall to that level. Behavior like his would result in being disbarred. After spending many thousands of dollars to become a lawyer a real one would never risk that investment so stupidly. What is more, they would never tarnish their reputation by acting like that in any public forum. For a lawyer, your reputation is all you have to recommend you. So I am guessing that Deangleo is a politician because of his ability to lie and his seeming close experience with deviant sexual activities.
For the rest of the folks here just remember that being an American is not about race or culture. Almost all of us had our ancestors come here from someplace else. A lot of Mexicans did too. American cities often have Italian-American clubs, Polish-American clubs, etc. Ethnic cultural areas and restaurants are often the cornerstones of the entertainment and flavor in our cities. Chinatown is famous in many cities and the Mexican areas are just as well loved.
To be an American you are not asked to give up your culture. You are asked to give America your love and your allegiance. You can still embrace your culture as many of us do. But if America entered a justified war with Mexico you would be expected to support America. You can certainly voice your concerns as is your right, but you are an American then, not a Mexican.
You are asked to learn English because that is the language of business and education in America. In fact, English is the most commonly spoken laguage in the world. It is the language of international business and the language that all international airline traffic must use to communicate with flight control.
Countries such as Canada that try to embrace more than one language struggle with it heavily and it serves to be the focal point of how we are different and breeds mistrust rather than being productive and beneficial. The attempts to take Quebec out of Canada underscore this heavily. Multiple official languages serve to separate people, not bring them together.
Our problem is even worse in America. While Canada is mainly French and English speaking, the United States has many significant ethnic populations that speak many languages. It would be impossible to communicate effectively if we were to embrace them all. So it is better to have just one language, and that is the one that has always been the language of this country.
This is not disrespect on my part. I do not care what language you use at home and it is none of my business. That is your choice. I am concerned with how our country works and avoiding problems rather than making more.
Deangelo, if we are racist it’s because of ass pirates like you who tell us exactly what kind of people you are. Don’t come here to infect us with all of your classless, filthy, and uneducated bull crap. If this country ever has an uprising against you illegal interlopers, I guarantee that all of you will be scrambling back over the border like the cowards you are.
I admire the vet who cut the Mexican flag down! This is AMERICA-not Mexico! If Mexico is such a grand place, then why are there over 12,000,000 illegal Mexicans here? Soon, we who ARE citizens, won’t have any benefits, jobs, hospitals nor schools-because the illegals are using them all up, and paying ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for it. We, the working class, however, are and have carried this country on our backs for a long time-the rich get richer, and the poor will always be among us, but I don’t think we need the added burden of the illegals!
I am appaled however, to see what I assume are adults-using such terrible language-and making such filthy remarks. No wonder our country is in shambles–we have allowed this to go on for so long, that God is going to turn His back on us. Look in the Bible, and read about Sodom and Gohmorra!! We are a repeat of it!
God bless America, and every military person that is willing to die so people can act like they have no education at all.
I’m of hispanic decent and my grandfather when he came here taught us, if you want to speak spanish then go to mexico but as long as we are in the US then we are Americans and should due our duty to fight for our rights as Americans.
Second, Americans went to Mexico to help them by buying land and starting farms just to have he mexican’s murder and chase the Americans off the land. They stole that land back and ruined the farms. So they chose their own poverty.
Third, Mexico’s official name has always been “The United States of Mexico”
They changed it in 2005 to just “Mexico” and the official reason for this was that they didn’t want to ever be associated with the US.
Fourth, Nafta was introduced to help commerce but in fact it will help the illegal drug trade.
Fifth, Growing up in East Los Angeles, one thing was pushed into my mind. It is a fact that the Mexicans want back what Santa Ana Sold to the US and thier plan has always been to take it by population.
God bless America and the minutemen that protect our borders.
Many have stated my support of taking righting a situation that showed disrespect for our flag. No need to ask them to take it down. They knew they were pressing a button when they put it up.
A few have defended them by saying it was a Mexican restuarant and part of their decor. No, it is a restaurant in America, licensed to operate in America, governed by the health and safety laws of America, its workers protected by American’s labor law etc etc. It is an American restuarant serving Mexican style food and warm Corona.
This is a typical “in your face” slaps by people who are ungrateful that they live in the greatest country on earth.
you liberal assholes, this man did the right thing. if they want to fly their damn mexican flag then fly it in fucking mexico. i am so sick of all this bullshit, close off the damn border and companies stop sending all their manufacturing plants it foreign countries and start making products again here in the USA!!! this pisses me off!!!!