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	<title>Comments on: Raza Day Redux: The Good Tidings Of Christopher Colombus</title>
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		<title>By: dominicoco</title>
		<link>http://guanabee.com/2007/10/raza-day-redux-the-good-tidings-of-christopher-colombus/#comment-2074</link>
		<dc:creator>dominicoco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tha fuck...are yall serious?? this site aint giving columbus any real praise. its laughing at how we celebrate something that brought us so much bullshit. incredible.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tha fuck&#8230;are yall serious?? this site aint giving columbus any real praise. its laughing at how we celebrate something that brought us so much bullshit. incredible.</p>
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		<title>By: el smrtmnky</title>
		<link>http://guanabee.com/2007/10/raza-day-redux-the-good-tidings-of-christopher-colombus/#comment-2073</link>
		<dc:creator>el smrtmnky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it's CANE night, Sambumbio, so it has to be a _mojito_
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s CANE night, Sambumbio, so it has to be a _mojito_</p>
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		<title>By: Sambumbio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sambumbio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone for a nicely made manhattan..oops I meant, margaritas...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone for a nicely made manhattan..oops I meant, margaritas&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: carnitas</title>
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		<dc:creator>carnitas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not agree with you more el smrtmnky.  Some people did not get joke and went off on a rampage.  Others like Oscar, fail to see that Deangelo is just messing with everybody.  I think its great that everybody can express their opinion on the subject and we truly do not have to be rude to each other.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not agree with you more el smrtmnky.  Some people did not get joke and went off on a rampage.  Others like Oscar, fail to see that Deangelo is just messing with everybody.  I think its great that everybody can express their opinion on the subject and we truly do not have to be rude to each other.</p>
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		<title>By: el smrtmnky</title>
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		<dc:creator>el smrtmnky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when you have to explain the joke, it's no longer a joke, so they say (and i'm sure to you 'they' is the dominant culture, i think it's the Baldwins).  when you have to explain yourself (and quite well, IMHO) your beliefs come off as nothing short of condescending higher consciousness.

i don't think that anyone at g-bee is trying to eradicate the notion that the native americans (south and north, natch) didn't get the short end of the stick. what they were trying to point out was the ludicrous nature of the cartoon.  obviously, if you must explain the mere fact that it was frigging _joke_ to the majority you don't get the joke.but in the end, i think most of you justified something even less subtle--humor is subjective. but you gotta roll with that, right?
someone might not find you funny, even as silly as they themselves are.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when you have to explain the joke, it&#8217;s no longer a joke, so they say (and i&#8217;m sure to you &#8216;they&#8217; is the dominant culture, i think it&#8217;s the Baldwins).  when you have to explain yourself (and quite well, IMHO) your beliefs come off as nothing short of condescending higher consciousness.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t think that anyone at g-bee is trying to eradicate the notion that the native americans (south and north, natch) didn&#8217;t get the short end of the stick. what they were trying to point out was the ludicrous nature of the cartoon.  obviously, if you must explain the mere fact that it was frigging _joke_ to the majority you don&#8217;t get the joke.but in the end, i think most of you justified something even less subtle&#8211;humor is subjective. but you gotta roll with that, right?<br />
someone might not find you funny, even as silly as they themselves are.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think people here are saying that Guanabee is saying Columbus was a hero. It's more subtle than that. What I think ya basta and others are talking about is tthat Guanabee is pulling a neat little ideological trick by equating the European genocide of the Americas with what was already going on here. Nativist white people love to hear shit like this, because it validates the "euro-centric" racist view that what they did was okay because they are superior, and that their continued presence and way of life is okay and is not hurting anyone. See the posting by Deangelo/Deangleo above for an example of this line of thinking that Guanabee appears to be supporting with this kind of relativist "all humans are corrupt and bad, so let's not be too critical of the Europeans." There are tons of problems with this attempt to dismiss reality, which I won't even try to get into here. One quick example would be the total poverty that most North American natives continue to live in, as well as the elevated rates of suicide among Native youth and adolescents compared to their peers.

Those with some consciousness and real understanding of history and the current situation get it. Those who are aligned with the project of masking history in favor of the dominant make a joke out of it to pretend that they don't see how they are contributing to ongoing genocide, exploitation, modified slavery, and ecocide. Either way, it's not about a lack of sense of humor--people from all political walks have a sense of humor, thank god. It's about a lack of consciousness and clarity. Someone above said that Guanabee is "confused." I think that's probably the most accurate thing in all these posts. They are confused, and lack clarity about what they are saying and how they are saying it. This is a sign of colonized thinking.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think people here are saying that Guanabee is saying Columbus was a hero. It&#8217;s more subtle than that. What I think ya basta and others are talking about is tthat Guanabee is pulling a neat little ideological trick by equating the European genocide of the Americas with what was already going on here. Nativist white people love to hear shit like this, because it validates the &#8220;euro-centric&#8221; racist view that what they did was okay because they are superior, and that their continued presence and way of life is okay and is not hurting anyone. See the posting by Deangelo/Deangleo above for an example of this line of thinking that Guanabee appears to be supporting with this kind of relativist &#8220;all humans are corrupt and bad, so let&#8217;s not be too critical of the Europeans.&#8221; There are tons of problems with this attempt to dismiss reality, which I won&#8217;t even try to get into here. One quick example would be the total poverty that most North American natives continue to live in, as well as the elevated rates of suicide among Native youth and adolescents compared to their peers.</p>
<p>Those with some consciousness and real understanding of history and the current situation get it. Those who are aligned with the project of masking history in favor of the dominant make a joke out of it to pretend that they don&#8217;t see how they are contributing to ongoing genocide, exploitation, modified slavery, and ecocide. Either way, it&#8217;s not about a lack of sense of humor&#8211;people from all political walks have a sense of humor, thank god. It&#8217;s about a lack of consciousness and clarity. Someone above said that Guanabee is &#8220;confused.&#8221; I think that&#8217;s probably the most accurate thing in all these posts. They are confused, and lack clarity about what they are saying and how they are saying it. This is a sign of colonized thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Deangleo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deangleo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you ass monkeys would be speaking some crazy Indian if it wasn't for this hero!  The Mexican Government should be throwing parties for this guy at the Canta Bar in Tepiscoelollo and arresting you stupid communists who do nothing but spread your propaganda and defend people like the Taliban.

Stop acting like a bunch of racist bastards!!!

Deangelo
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you ass monkeys would be speaking some crazy Indian if it wasn&#8217;t for this hero!  The Mexican Government should be throwing parties for this guy at the Canta Bar in Tepiscoelollo and arresting you stupid communists who do nothing but spread your propaganda and defend people like the Taliban.</p>
<p>Stop acting like a bunch of racist bastards!!!</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
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		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don't you read more about Aztec history, like how they enslaved so many other people and "modified" history so that they could claim they descended from royal blood?  Why do you think so many other groups in the central valley were willing to help out Cortes?  Because they were pissed off at the tributes they had to give to the Aztecs and were only too willing to see someone else in power.  And in Peru, the Inca had only recently come to power, and their empire was already showing weaknesses.

I know that the Spanish did terrible things and nobody can honestly say that Columbus was a nice guy who only wanted the best from everyone.  I'm just saying that it's not as if the people already living in the Americas were living in peace with no problems until those dirty Spanish came.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you read more about Aztec history, like how they enslaved so many other people and &#8220;modified&#8221; history so that they could claim they descended from royal blood?  Why do you think so many other groups in the central valley were willing to help out Cortes?  Because they were pissed off at the tributes they had to give to the Aztecs and were only too willing to see someone else in power.  And in Peru, the Inca had only recently come to power, and their empire was already showing weaknesses.</p>
<p>I know that the Spanish did terrible things and nobody can honestly say that Columbus was a nice guy who only wanted the best from everyone.  I&#8217;m just saying that it&#8217;s not as if the people already living in the Americas were living in peace with no problems until those dirty Spanish came.</p>
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		<title>By: carnitas</title>
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		<dc:creator>carnitas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't see anything wrong with the list in the post above, it all holds true in some way.  You all make it seem like the Indian cultures in the Americas, prior to Columbus, were living in some utopia society.   The Aztecs killed, enslaved and raped many of its neighbors.  Also there were various diseases present in the New World before the Spanish arrived: dysentery, common bacterial infections, salmonella and other food poisonings, viral influenzas and pneumonias, viral and rickettsial fevers, typhus, tuberculosis, among others.

I think nobody got what Guanabee was trying to say: that the Spanish brought along with them some bad things along with some good things.  And that life for many of the Indian cultures living in the America's was good without any intervention.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with the list in the post above, it all holds true in some way.  You all make it seem like the Indian cultures in the Americas, prior to Columbus, were living in some utopia society.   The Aztecs killed, enslaved and raped many of its neighbors.  Also there were various diseases present in the New World before the Spanish arrived: dysentery, common bacterial infections, salmonella and other food poisonings, viral influenzas and pneumonias, viral and rickettsial fevers, typhus, tuberculosis, among others.</p>
<p>I think nobody got what Guanabee was trying to say: that the Spanish brought along with them some bad things along with some good things.  And that life for many of the Indian cultures living in the America&#8217;s was good without any intervention.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Mauser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Mauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone sees that Ann Coulter ad again, send me the link to daniel@guanabee.com
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone sees that Ann Coulter ad again, send me the link to <a href="mailto:daniel@guanabee.com">daniel@guanabee.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cheve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You go about "natives killing each other" like people in europe are so damn united (try the cruzades , for example) the real shit about this is the partial (as in almost total) elimination of native culture and knowledge, you think calmecac taught shit? that was one of the aztec schools, you think the zero is unimportant, how about the YEAR YOU BASE YOUR DATES ON, that's all native knowledge this columbus fucker messed up, so yes, i would rather be aztec. Also, im really dissappointed on you guanabee, you were supposed to be on the latin side of shit...but well, you are still as american as it gets.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You go about &#8220;natives killing each other&#8221; like people in europe are so damn united (try the cruzades , for example) the real shit about this is the partial (as in almost total) elimination of native culture and knowledge, you think calmecac taught shit? that was one of the aztec schools, you think the zero is unimportant, how about the YEAR YOU BASE YOUR DATES ON, that&#8217;s all native knowledge this columbus fucker messed up, so yes, i would rather be aztec. Also, im really dissappointed on you guanabee, you were supposed to be on the latin side of shit&#8230;but well, you are still as american as it gets.</p>
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		<title>By: eatingraoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>eatingraoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@yabasta: You've got to love merengue house though. That stuff is the shit!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@yabasta: You&#8217;ve got to love merengue house though. That stuff is the shit!</p>
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		<title>By: pocho_guey_al_norte</title>
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		<dc:creator>pocho_guey_al_norte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, the Ann Coulter ad made me cringe.  I understand there are bills to pay and mouths to feed, and that writing for dinner sucks but that ad?  There have to be better people to ask for ends from!!!

@ya basta, gotta agree, sambumbio, etc.:  I guess we should just smack ourselves all on the collective forehead and realize that people read text in monotone.  I don't think that the post implied that Columbus was a hero.  At worst an opportunisitic thief and John the Baptist for la Conquista, or at best an extremely conflicted and tragic figure that yields a melancholic situation defining Latin America and Latinos in America: confusion.  But I suppose we should all be so clear-headed as you all.

As much as you've think you've done yourself a favor by not following the blog, you have fulfilled the blog media secret: traffic, traffic, and more traffic.  And, well, it should be encouraged!!!

So, instead of whining about how lame and hipster and east coast the blog can be, access the inner Lalo Alcaraz or Gustavo Arellano or Rudy Acuna (were he to have levity) and get cracking with the humor!!!  So instead of watching people choke on their own chicken why not either try a piece of chicken yourself or help us get the bone out of our throats.  Or does being an implied leftist mean sticking to comfy ideas at the expense of people or their gestures?  I associated that with right-wingery anyway.

At any rate, neither are as easy as you think.  Or do you just want to spectate and be bedazzled by boring copy?

It's not funny to miss the humor or parody or even satire with being ham-fisted.  I should know, I'm doing it right now.  But good grief, lighten up!

Maybe we should have a commenters theory group or teach in or laugh in, or some kind of pendejada over a game of loteria.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, the Ann Coulter ad made me cringe.  I understand there are bills to pay and mouths to feed, and that writing for dinner sucks but that ad?  There have to be better people to ask for ends from!!!</p>
<p>@ya basta, gotta agree, sambumbio, etc.:  I guess we should just smack ourselves all on the collective forehead and realize that people read text in monotone.  I don&#8217;t think that the post implied that Columbus was a hero.  At worst an opportunisitic thief and John the Baptist for la Conquista, or at best an extremely conflicted and tragic figure that yields a melancholic situation defining Latin America and Latinos in America: confusion.  But I suppose we should all be so clear-headed as you all.</p>
<p>As much as you&#8217;ve think you&#8217;ve done yourself a favor by not following the blog, you have fulfilled the blog media secret: traffic, traffic, and more traffic.  And, well, it should be encouraged!!!</p>
<p>So, instead of whining about how lame and hipster and east coast the blog can be, access the inner Lalo Alcaraz or Gustavo Arellano or Rudy Acuna (were he to have levity) and get cracking with the humor!!!  So instead of watching people choke on their own chicken why not either try a piece of chicken yourself or help us get the bone out of our throats.  Or does being an implied leftist mean sticking to comfy ideas at the expense of people or their gestures?  I associated that with right-wingery anyway.</p>
<p>At any rate, neither are as easy as you think.  Or do you just want to spectate and be bedazzled by boring copy?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not funny to miss the humor or parody or even satire with being ham-fisted.  I should know, I&#8217;m doing it right now.  But good grief, lighten up!</p>
<p>Maybe we should have a commenters theory group or teach in or laugh in, or some kind of pendejada over a game of loteria.</p>
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		<title>By: La emperatriz</title>
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		<dc:creator>La emperatriz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 17:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya Basta has a good point.  Did anyone notice the ad for Ann Coulter?  Guanabee, what were you thinking?!

And let's not forget that the colonization and the effects it has on indigenous peoples is extremely destructive.

... Dia de la raza, yes, but was it / is it worth the cost?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya Basta has a good point.  Did anyone notice the ad for Ann Coulter?  Guanabee, what were you thinking?!</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget that the colonization and the effects it has on indigenous peoples is extremely destructive.</p>
<p>&#8230; Dia de la raza, yes, but was it / is it worth the cost?</p>
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		<title>By: Sambumbio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sambumbio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cristobal Colon no es un heroe.  For the ones that want to leave, too bad.  It is good to read different perspectives and chuckle when ideas go counter to what you thought!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cristobal Colon no es un heroe.  For the ones that want to leave, too bad.  It is good to read different perspectives and chuckle when ideas go counter to what you thought!</p>
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