At my parents church (catholic) the priest was urging everyone to vote yes on 8 (and 4)
and of course my parents voted that way.. I was talking to my mom yesterday and I told her she basically voted for discrimination. She kinda feels bad now, she hadn’t thought about it in that way before.

i don’t know about california but here in florida it was definitely hispanics as well as blacks who voted on “morals” which i think is ironic considering when mixed marriage was illegal the same rhetoric was used against it

my mother actually had a black teacher at the school she works for fill out her ballot and the guy voted on point with everything BUT the gay marriage ban which he supported

i think it’s unfortunate and a good example for people that try to bunch together all minorities and desenfranchised groups in the US as having each other’s backs

there’s plenty of division between minorities, there’s a lot of blatant racism within the gay community, blacks against hispanics, and hispanics racist against blacks and vise versa…

I long for the day when all our religious family and friends can get off of their moral high horse and see gay rights are civil rights and have nothing to do with morality or religion. Feel free to hate all you want in your church but leave it behind at the polls where you are voting for CIVIL matters.

I would love to know just how many of these upright moral citizens have lied and cheated in their own marriages yet have the gall to say they are voting to preserve the sanctity of marriage.

I wonder just how many of these men of morality who voted to ban gay marraige step out on their wives and get blow jobs on the DL and fuck boys up the ass all in guise of machismo?

For those that have prevailed—congratulations, Britney Spears can still have a quickie drunken wedding in Vegas and divorce the next day, and I can’t!

yeah this blows. i tried to talk to my parents about it because they vote by mail and they told me they had voted against prop 8. later i pressed them and they admitted they had voted for it, even though they had told me and some friends that were present that they voted no.

another day my parents were watching the spanish language news and they aired this ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCCdtf9zKbk . the message is the same as the english version, but it seems much sleazier in spanish. i guess i was just thinking about how such an ad would be received by latinos, knowing what i do about own parents, and those of my close friends.

That’s why we need to start doing more community organizing about equal rights.

Coming from such strong catholic backgrounds and raised with ultra-machismo in mind, this is not surprising. Like denise said this is going to take getting involved in community to help alleviate some of this prejudice.

Opening the eyes of some who refue to see is always difficult. Howeer they must see that the very struggle they go through with acceptance is the very same that some of their gay Latino brothers and sisters go through as well.

@Patrick: One day you and I and everyone can be just like Britney. I promise.

The passing of such discriminatory legislator in the same ballot as the election of the nation’s first minority President, really tarnishes the moment for me. I just hope Obama’s tenure as President continues to try be one of change, hope and most importantly equality - for everyone.

@ patrick: amen. or like how the daily show reminded us that mormons believed that marriage was between a man and a woman, and a woman, and a woman…

i was listening to npr this morning and this black preacher was saying he doesn’t see how this fight is about discrimination. he doesn’t think that being gay = being brown because you can “see” skin color. i guess he still believes gays presumably choose their lifestyle. so what about those of us who are both… what gives?

i foolishly forget that the preacher’s way of thinking is still around, and i just think it’s so disenheartening to still need to have this conversation. this man presumably has more influence than i do in his community simply based on the sheer number of people who must go to his church. we MUST start a dialogue. it’s simple to do because it starts with people you know and see every day.

i see it as being a soldier in a new fight. i’m ready to go back to the trenches. and i was there in fremont, ca on election day. most people were supportive, but there were a few that weren’t. i was pleasantly surprised by elderly gentlemen in pickup trucks that honked horns in support of us. that’s a good start.

the good thing is that people under 30 voted overwhelmingly in support of gay marraige. this will happen in our lifetimes, just not as soon as we thought and hoped it would. lambda legal, NCLR and the ACLU are great great orgs and are with us in this and are filing lawsuits with more than decent legal arguments against this ban.

i also wish that the NO on 8 people would have started a dialogue with minorities earlier in the campaign. it is not easy to explain how this ban IS discrimination to people, like the preacher, who clearly do not see it this way. but these people certainly have the capability for compassion and empathy. if we’ve experienced discrimination all our lives as brown peeps, why would you want to impose discrimination on anyone else? or did i just answer my own question?

and if anyone ever brings up how gays have the ability to be contractually “married” due to domestic partnerships in CA, just remember separate is NOT equal.

Sadly, the ban on prop 8 showcases inequality at it’s finest. The same fight has been fought for other important civil rights, and yet here we are still fighting for humans basic right to EQUALITY. What bothers me the most is this religious curtain that people are hiding behind to mask their ignorance.

Even my religiously devout Catholic mother said, ” Es jus no fair.”

Civil rights issues should never be put up to a vote.

It’s a shame that, as a straight woman, I get the choice of marriage and others don’t. It’s a shame that people feel they need to tell others how to live and who to marry. If YOU don’t believe in gay marriage, then don’t have one.

@ Patrick: I have been arguing that same point about people cheating then claiming to “vote to save the sanctity of marriage.” It’s bullshit!

Y’all should come to Massachusetts, where the legislators had the foresight to block such discriminatory questions to be put on the ballots. Prop. 8 was the total downer on an otherwise dreamy day. Damn apolitical Cali fags!

was talking this over with a lawyer friend of mine (i’m a law student). we actually think the ca supreme court completely anticipated this very scenario when they inserted the key choice phrase of all phrases, “fundamental rights” in the marriage cases opinion. as such, those words make it much more complicated to legislate hatred/amend constitutions/etc concerning this group.

so the voters may be assbackwards out here in califas, but at least them supreme court justices know what they be doing and shit.

umm…. Marriage is not a right … its a privilege … If you love the bible and God i guess … umm … just because your human doesnt mean your getting a drives license, you have to know how to drive and pass the test … and in this case God said the test is a man and wife… now i dont know if you want to be on Gods bad side … God may love all of his children, but if you love him follow his rules.

@ Narciso

umm last I checked God did not create marriage during his 7 day construction of the world and it was man that wrote the umm Bible and it is man that is umm arrogant enough to speak for God, so if God wants to weigh in on the issue, I beg of him to strike down my faggot ass today as I boldly defy HIS “rules” as you interpret them. So if you don’t see any more posts from me, I guess umm you were right, if I am posting away tomorrow, I guess you don’t know God as well as you think you do!

@ Narisco:

perhaps you should read the following. it’s rather illuminating.

from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/terrance-heath/historically-black-homoph_b_141904.html

“I held the mic to his face as he quoted the passage from the New International Version of the Bible. He read aloud: “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

“The audience erupted in shouting and applause again, and the young student slammed shut the Bible and marched off the stage as though he had proved his point. After the crowd finally quieted down, I explained. “The passage he just read was from 1 Corinthians, chapter 6, verse 9. It was an epistle written by Paul, not by Jesus,” I said. “That’s because Jesus never mentions homosexuality anywhere in the Bible.” “

“The audience didn’t buy it. That’s because many of them have never studied the Bible. Unfortunately, they’ve been taught simply to repeat the homophobic rhetoric recited by their pastors and their parents. Anyone who challenges that rhetoric must be the devil. Even if the concerned Christians in the audience can’t prove their arguments, they feel morally superior enough to repudiate mine without any real knowledge or facts.”

the bold is mine.

God is made up.

The vast bulk of the electorate in those states viewed their vote as an expression of their view of same-sex “marriage”.

@ ElGüey

thank you bro. FINALLY SOME ONE MAKES SENSE!!!