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This Puto, Tom Horne, Was On CNN Talking About Why He Banned Chicano Studies In Arizona
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So where's all those teabagging Freedom of Speech defenders when things like these happens. On a side note, not to get all gabacho-PC on you, but as a gay guy I had my share of the word puto growing up, I think I had more than enough. Thanks.
ReplyHe's right, who needs to learn about oppression when the police in Arizona can now legally demonstrate what that is?
ReplyMas puto
Replythat's fine as soon you stop saying "pussy" to mean weakling.
ReplyWhat does this remind me of? Oh yeah, this little gem they used in Great Britain in the 1700s called the Act of Proscription, which was aimed at removing most of the things that Scots took pride in and making them "more English". "[It included] Measures to prevent children from being 'educated in disaffected or rebellious principles'..." Very pale Euro history notwithstanding, do we also want to open up the can of worms that is the Spaniards destroying the history and texts of those that they conquered when they came to the New World? But don't worry, white dude from Arizona. Not like aforementioned Scots aren't still holding a grudge against the English for that. Oh... wait...
ReplyUgh, he really doesn't want people to find out how deep the rabbit hole goes. What would he do with conscious, knowledgeable workers? How would he union-bust them?
ReplyIs this like repeating history BEFORE you forget it? I totally get not wanting people to "play the victim" and not wanting to promote divisiveness, but I think this was a plan not very well thought out.
ReplyWell, I've never use that word.
ReplyIn a perfect world, yeah, the content of history courses would be all-inclusive from multiple points of view, not just from those of the victors; however, we don't live in a perfect world, which is why ethnic studies courses are useful. Might not be in agreement with the wording of the terms "Chicano studies" or "African American studies" or "Asian studies", etc., but it really doesn't matter as much as what is actually being taught. Though it begs the question of what really constitutes the term "ethnic studies" in this country; too many are quick to say that this only means the study of the history of people in the U.S. bar those of non-Hispanic white backgrounds. But is that fair or accurate? Why doesn't ethnic studies include the teaching of the British subjects who arrived in Virginia and Massachusetts in the sixteenth century and took over land from the native population already there? Or the plight taken by the persecuted Catholics from the British Isles who set up a colony in what is present-day Maryland? Or the mass migration into the so-called New World by other western European ethnicities. ... When it's finally indoctrinated in the minds of everyone in this country that ethnicity does indeed include non-Hispanic whites, that would be a huge step toward progressivism. And as far as Horne regurgitating GOP education talking points and claiming that he wants to rid the education system of the teaching of oppression to students because it might make them feel like they are oppressed, and that would be bad. Yeah, bad for corporate America, or what's left of it anyway. Unless you are a member of the elite of this country, one of the top two percent of income earners who control about ninety-five percent of the wealth, then you are oppressed. Yes, Tom Horne is also are oppressed. He is a pawn. A tool. A subject of the oligarchy; the kind that would fit nicely in a government office making policy which benefits only the ruling classes; ditto Jan Brewer, Russell Pearce, etc. And, try as they might, they will never, ever, be allowed into the ruling class. It's a great scheme that has been set in motion since god knows when.
ReplyI see what you mean, but I don't see how a homophobic slur helps the cause of anti-misogyny. Not to mention, gay people are normally allies of that cause. I love your blog and I'm really disappointed.
ReplyWhy "puto" and not "pendejo?" If the subject were gay studies and the anti-gay spokesperson were a woman, wouldn't the argument against her be somewhat compromised if the post made use of the C-word? Otherwise, right on!
ReplyWhen is our race going to band together and say no more bullshit from these douche bags? We are the majority!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We get screwed every day. This has to stop.
ReplyWhy must you use the word "puto"?
Reply"When is our race going to band together...?" Hopefully not before palefaces such as myself are allowed to ask the exact same question. If you want to be all about your "race" while denying me the same right, then you're a hypocrite.
ReplyI agree people should be learning about the US and better learning English, we have people in TX that have been 20 years and refuse to learn, banned should be 5 de Mayo, Black month and the rest WE ARE ALL AMERICAN AND THIS IS OUR CULTURE.
ReplyDon't blame Mexican Americans for Cinco de Mayo, blame Budweiser and Chili's.
ReplyI am Chicano and I am not oppressed. Although, i did not take any Chicano courses in college. Maybe I don't know it yet. Can some define "Hispanic Race"? I was raised that Hispanic was an ethnicity like Greek or Italian, and could be of any race (white/asian/black).
ReplyHate to break it to you but there's no thing as a homogeneous American culture. All kinds of people from all walks of life have made this country their home through the course of its history.
ReplyTo be honest, since I am from the colonies, (the RGV of Texas), I grew up with an erroneous understanding of the word "puto", which was that it is interchangeable with the word "pendejo" or "asshole". Which is the real reason I chose it. I wasn't thinking "gay prostitute" or whatever the original meaning is. (In the Valle, culo also means "anus" as opposed to "butt", so imagine my surprise when guys in NYC told me I had a nice culo.) But back to puto, it has that wonderful two-syllable punctuation that just felt right. So, no offense meant to the gays. I love you all, but I insist on cursing this puto out in pocho.
ReplyI'm sure you just ruined this guy's day by setting him straight with facts.
ReplyIn response to your question where the Tea Party freedom of speechers are, they only defend freedom of speech if it's accent free english...claro.
ReplyOh, the tea baggers have accents. It's English language skills that they seem to lack.
ReplyYeah, but you know, it's mah raht to be ignernt. So yeah, I guess I just corrected myself...some teabaggers DO have accents...at least down here in Tennessee they do.
ReplySi.... Puto, Ojete culero y ke chinge a su madre el naco de mierda. Cindy, no rekieres de darle explicaciones a ese wey.
ReplyTo express how you feel, deep in your soul. That is why! Ms. May. so shut da fuck up! is it hard to guess?.
Replycan you explain the difference from chicano, mexican american, mojado, hispanic, spanish, latino, wetback, Mexican. please let me know. gracias amigo.
ReplyOne man's understanding: Latino = Hispanic. Each term used according to the sensibilities of the individual speaker. Latino really means anything of Latin American origin (which includes Brazil), while Hispanic means anything from Spain (excluding Brazil). Hispania = Roman name for the Iberian Peninsula, so the term "Hispanic" was reacquired to identify all Spanish-derived people. Mexican-American = Chicano Chicano = promulgated during the 1960s ethnic movement pushing for more rights, used mostly in California, circuitously originated from "Meh-hee-cano"."Mexican-American" is officially someone ethnically Mexican who was raised as an American. If you're in the southern US, it's been sloppily reappropriated to mean all Spanish-speakers. Mojado = Wetback, except the term is used by different groups (based on the fact that one's in Spanish and the other in English). Mexican = like Russian, or Chinese. Spanish = like Chinese, or Russian. But is used by racist Latinos/Hispanics to signify the "purity" of their lineage and connection to Spain. Was used back in the 50s like "Hispanic" is now, but obviously does not connote the same complexity (or realism) of the subject's ethnicity.
Replythat hispanic studies degree is coming in handy already.
ReplyMore useful than a journalism degree.
ReplyFor a Harvard grad, he's remarkably uneloquent. He just spews the same catchphrases over and over again. It's fine that he has a separate opinion on the issue, but he doesn't seem able to argue his side at all. I think it's one of those gaps that can never be crossed because he seems to equate learning oppression to divisiveness only because American history isn't puppy dogs and rainbows. He also thinks that social harmony means ethnic whitewashing. He was also very excited the African-American professor brought up Martin Luther King, Jr. The "content of their character" and "race-obsessed rhetoric" really just entail denying the discussion of the origin of current social injustices. Plus there's that shit-eating grin...
Reply....Meh. I wikipedia'd "Chicano" since I'm not from the 1960s or California.
ReplyIvy League schools are overrated -- or so I have been told.
ReplyWho did you hear this from? Was it from your ex-wife who holds a degree from Columbia, or by me?
ReplyI'm not at liberty to divulge the names of my sources, of which there are plenty.
ReplyI'm a 57 year old Nana who grew up in a little AZ mining town. Even though the town was segregated (American town, Indian Village, and Mexican town) and even though our Mexican and Indian fathers worked for less pay, and the schools were segregated (chicanitos and indios were assigned to the WORST teachers, often held back, didn't get the benefit of art and music classes, never got to be IN the christmas pageant only watch the gringitos perform, etc...), our houses were right up against the mine where the fumes from the smelter stack rained down on us and the mining company released "used water" into the arroyos in our neighborhood where often the kids would think it was great fun to sneak off and play in this water that came from the mine...well, I could go on and on with examples of our oppression..it wasn't until I went to ASU and took a few Chicano Studies classes that I learned that what had been happening all those years (decades) was "oppression"...it was not a downer for me - it was enlightening, empowering, motivating. It answered a lot of questions for me but it did not make me "hate" my gringo friends. I agree with one of the writers that I read earlier...I'm certain corporate America has a lot to do with what's going on not only in AZ but across the nation. I also agree with the person who said "what's up with Tom Pendejo Horne's shit eating grin"....man, he looked uncomfortable in his "debate" with sociology profe from Georgetown - El Profe lo hizo garras!
ReplySad. Sad. Sad. 2666 is sooner than we thought.
ReplyHas anyone, even the writer of this opinionated column, read the bill Arizona HB 2281? Does anyone believe kids, all before the age of 18, should be educated in learning about all races that have contributed or immigrated into US to make up it's small but grossly dynamic history? How is putting an emphasis on one particular race while excluding others fair? Especially in a public community made of more than just one group of ethnic inhabitants? Would people be this outraged if it was a White Ethnics studies? European Ethnic studies? Probably not due to the majority of the southern or outskirts of the greater city of phoenix is heavily populated with a culture that prefers to dominate rather than become equals. I have read the bill and as a non-white, full American with foreign ancestry I do agree that removing a racial ethnic course catered for one group is appropriate unless they some how find a way to include all races in ethnic studies for public elementary and High School children. This shouldn't be the same for college electives as at the time most will have the mental stability to understand how races were oppressed, enlightened, elevated, disrespected, respected and etc without just hearing one side of the coin and casting their stones. In fact, go ahead and read up on this Mexican-American Ethnic Studies course included... along with it's "Speakers" from an anti-American activist group. And here I made my point without resulting to slander or foul language.
ReplyHe is a bonehead when it comes to explaining himself. Of all the boneheaded things He said! , He is a bonehead racis jerk!
ReplyEthnocentrist studies can be very damaging when they teach based on political agendas. One of the biggest problems with many of these victim based studies, quite different from studying Afrodiasporic, Indigenist studies, Afrocentric, Indigenocentric studies that focus more on victimology and broad blame games create many students who actually focus so much on how bad they are victimized that they become resident perpetual protesters instead of actually getting a productive job with which they can feed their families. There is definitely a place for protest, and education shouldn't be silenced, but some of these programs have been given a free reign to spread ethnocentric racism. You can't fight racism with racism. We definitely have to create awareness for discrimination against people fo indigenous descent, but not by reverse one dropping and all of a sudden claiming we are Aztlan, the Mexica, etc, instead of a creolized people, for the most part. And I can definitely tell the guy who wrote this article is Chicano and not mexicano. If not he would have never made the claim you don't roll your 'r in 'raza' Try to say raza with the 'r' in caro, instead of carro.
ReplyNot to side with Mr Horne, but calling your enemy a faggot is just disgusting. And so is that comment about a "race" banding together, no matter which one.
Replyjust curious, what do you do with a ethnic studies degree? Also, who decides which ethnicities warrant studies specific to their ethnicity??
ReplyEthnic studies can focus on anthropology. You can also do studies on civil rights. What one has to be careful is falling into fighting ethnic prejudices with ethnic prejudices.
ReplyTom, I am Hispanic and I can tell you that I have been oppressed by my previous employer. THAT IS A FACT. I have documentation to prove it. How can you say that we Hispanics and others as well should not be told that we have been oppressed. Are you now going to say that African Americans should not be taugh about the Jim Crow law?
ReplyI am glad that you have not been oppressed and that is the way it should be. However, there were many of us that were. I never had been until I started working for my previous employer.
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